I knew I'd learn a lot by joining this forum! Thanks for your help!JasonFriday13 wrote:The head and the block are the same, it's the bits bolted on the outside that are different between the cars. I have a Celica gen 3 turbo engine in my car, all I had to do was remove the Celica parts and put on MR2 parts (MR2 crank pulley, engine mount, alternator, coolant elbow).myeyehurts wrote:Ah, this is information I've been hunting for - can you expand on that please? Thank you!JasonFriday13 wrote:I agree, the cost of the link is at least $1600 so apart from the engine being borked it's a good deal.
Also, it's a Celica gen 3 engine because the coolant tree isn't the mr2 one.
If the standard box goes ping, then just upgrade to an E153 gearbox (from a turbo MR2). These take 200KW without breaking a sweat.myeyehurts wrote:I'll run a standard gearbox for now and once that goes ping i'll consider my options. Perhaps just a strengthened factory box.
Myeyehurts' MR2 With Quad Throttles
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Re: Myeyehurts' MR2 With Quad Throttles
Can anyone tell me anything about this setup, purely based off the photos? I have some invoices from the previous owner for work done, however I can't personally verify anything!
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Re: Myeyehurts' MR2 With Quad Throttles
All I can say is those cams aren't factory cams, there isn't much else we can tell just from looking at it.
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Project: 1990 SW20 GT, 1992+ brake swap, 1992+ subframe swap, 1996 Celica turbo engine swap, 1996 MR2 LSD gearbox swap, Caldina Turbo coil-on-plug ignition, Link G4 Storm, 161kw @ 10psi.
Daily: 2004 Toyota Vitz RS, 1.5L, 5sp
Tow rig: 2009 Camry, 2.4L, auto
Scrapped: 1989 SW20 GT, 1992 SW20 G-Limited, ex EssDub car, donor, 1997 Toyota Tercel 3dr hatch, front crash, 1990 SW20, G-Limited, ex EssDub car, roll crashed, donor
Sold: 1987 AW11 Supercharged, 1991 SW20 G-Limited, ex EssDub car
Project: 1990 SW20 GT, 1992+ brake swap, 1992+ subframe swap, 1996 Celica turbo engine swap, 1996 MR2 LSD gearbox swap, Caldina Turbo coil-on-plug ignition, Link G4 Storm, 161kw @ 10psi.
Daily: 2004 Toyota Vitz RS, 1.5L, 5sp
Tow rig: 2009 Camry, 2.4L, auto
Scrapped: 1989 SW20 GT, 1992 SW20 G-Limited, ex EssDub car, donor, 1997 Toyota Tercel 3dr hatch, front crash, 1990 SW20, G-Limited, ex EssDub car, roll crashed, donor
Sold: 1987 AW11 Supercharged, 1991 SW20 G-Limited, ex EssDub car
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Re: Myeyehurts' MR2 With Quad Throttles
They notch out the material around the retainer to make clearance for the cam lobe.
Quite common when going to high lift cams as the lobes sticks out alot more
My boss's Subaru is having it done at the moment and a friend had it done in his Honda
And mine will get de-shrouding around those areas for the same reason.
Those are some pretty serious cams you have my friend
Mine are 270 and no where as curvy as those.
Will sound like a rotor at idle
Quite common when going to high lift cams as the lobes sticks out alot more
My boss's Subaru is having it done at the moment and a friend had it done in his Honda
And mine will get de-shrouding around those areas for the same reason.
Those are some pretty serious cams you have my friend
Mine are 270 and no where as curvy as those.
Will sound like a rotor at idle
Toyota motors:
Current - 89 AW11 factory manual SC
Sold - 74 Toyota Crown wagon (MS63), Holden 308, TH400 trans
Current - 89 AW11 factory manual SC
Sold - 74 Toyota Crown wagon (MS63), Holden 308, TH400 trans
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Re: Myeyehurts' MR2 With Quad Throttles
Ah cool, I knew it had cams but didn't realise they were so aggressive! I looked at some photos of factory 3sge cams and they have very shallow lobes. Will have to dig out the invoices to find out what angle they are. All I know is that they were done by Franklin Cams.Ash Kelly Barr wrote:They notch out the material around the retainer to make clearance for the cam lobe.
Quite common when going to high lift cams as the lobes sticks out alot more
My boss's Subaru is having it done at the moment and a friend had it done in his Honda
And mine will get de-shrouding around those areas for the same reason.
Those are some pretty serious cams you have my friend
Mine are 270 and no where as curvy as those.
Will sound like a rotor at idle
The engine will be back together and in the car late this week and then I can bring it home to start putting some track day bits on it. Next plan is to get the newly painted Valvoles in some rubber and put some better velocity stacks on the throttles.
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Re: Myeyehurts' MR2 With Quad Throttles
Yeah, the fact it still has writing from the shop would indicate it's not been run.myeyehurts wrote:Ah cool, I knew it had cams but didn't realise they were so aggressive! I looked at some photos of factory 3sge cams and they have very shallow lobes. Will have to dig out the invoices to find out what angle they are. All I know is that they were done by Franklin CamsAsh Kelly Barr wrote:They notch out the material around the retainer to make clearance for the cam lobe.
Quite common when going to high lift cams as the lobes sticks out alot more
My boss's Subaru is having it done at the moment and a friend had it done in his Honda
And mine will get de-shrouding around those areas for the same reason.
Those are some pretty serious cams you have my friend
Mine are 270 and no where as curvy as those.
Will sound like a rotor at idle
I wouldn't go pulling it apart as it probably all set ready to go
Toyota motors:
Current - 89 AW11 factory manual SC
Sold - 74 Toyota Crown wagon (MS63), Holden 308, TH400 trans
Current - 89 AW11 factory manual SC
Sold - 74 Toyota Crown wagon (MS63), Holden 308, TH400 trans
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Re: Myeyehurts' MR2 With Quad Throttles
I've had the head off as it blew across two of the pistons & burnt out a couple of valves as well. Had the cams out, bucket & shims and all the valves for inspection/replacement. Which is why the lifters have writing on them, I do believe. Once it's all back together with a decent head gasket and good studs it will be going to E&H Motors for a full tune. I just wish I knew what the cam profile was - it doesn't seem to say on the invoice from Franklin Cams so i'll probably need to ring and see what they can find from the invoice # methinks. E&H will need all the dial-in infoAsh Kelly Barr wrote:Yeah, the fact it still has writing from the shop would indicate it's not been run.myeyehurts wrote:Ah cool, I knew it had cams but didn't realise they were so aggressive! I looked at some photos of factory 3sge cams and they have very shallow lobes. Will have to dig out the invoices to find out what angle they are. All I know is that they were done by Franklin CamsAsh Kelly Barr wrote:They notch out the material around the retainer to make clearance for the cam lobe.
Quite common when going to high lift cams as the lobes sticks out alot more
My boss's Subaru is having it done at the moment and a friend had it done in his Honda
And mine will get de-shrouding around those areas for the same reason.
Those are some pretty serious cams you have my friend
Mine are 270 and no where as curvy as those.
Will sound like a rotor at idle
I wouldn't go pulling it apart as it probably all set ready to go
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Re: Myeyehurts' MR2 With Quad Throttles
Oh, so there was damage to the head as well, that was a bummer. Good you got that sorted.
This is the way they are from the factory, my gen 3 turbo head is the same. That's why my NA cam with 9.8mm lift fits straight in with no mods.Ash Kelly Barr wrote:They notch out the material around the retainer to make clearance for the cam lobe.
Jason Ross, current cars:
Project: 1990 SW20 GT, 1992+ brake swap, 1992+ subframe swap, 1996 Celica turbo engine swap, 1996 MR2 LSD gearbox swap, Caldina Turbo coil-on-plug ignition, Link G4 Storm, 161kw @ 10psi.
Daily: 2004 Toyota Vitz RS, 1.5L, 5sp
Tow rig: 2009 Camry, 2.4L, auto
Scrapped: 1989 SW20 GT, 1992 SW20 G-Limited, ex EssDub car, donor, 1997 Toyota Tercel 3dr hatch, front crash, 1990 SW20, G-Limited, ex EssDub car, roll crashed, donor
Sold: 1987 AW11 Supercharged, 1991 SW20 G-Limited, ex EssDub car
Project: 1990 SW20 GT, 1992+ brake swap, 1992+ subframe swap, 1996 Celica turbo engine swap, 1996 MR2 LSD gearbox swap, Caldina Turbo coil-on-plug ignition, Link G4 Storm, 161kw @ 10psi.
Daily: 2004 Toyota Vitz RS, 1.5L, 5sp
Tow rig: 2009 Camry, 2.4L, auto
Scrapped: 1989 SW20 GT, 1992 SW20 G-Limited, ex EssDub car, donor, 1997 Toyota Tercel 3dr hatch, front crash, 1990 SW20, G-Limited, ex EssDub car, roll crashed, donor
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Re: Myeyehurts' MR2 With Quad Throttles
Yeah the head was a little warped as well. Apparently the previous owner (bought the car already modded for $6k in early 2013) blew the gasket in 2014 and had a friend pull the head, replace the gasket and whack it all back together again without planing the head or replacing the head bolts. So of course it blew again a few days later, at which point he gave up on it. Hopefully this time it's all good!JasonFriday13 wrote:Oh, so there was damage to the head as well, that was a bummer. Good you got that sorted.
This is the way they are from the factory, my gen 3 turbo head is the same. That's why my NA cam with 9.8mm lift fits straight in with no mods.Ash Kelly Barr wrote:They notch out the material around the retainer to make clearance for the cam lobe.
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Ah! Good Ol Toyota engineeringJasonFriday13 wrote:Oh, so there was damage to the head as well, that was a bummer. Good you got that sorted.
This is the way they are from the factory, my gen 3 turbo head is the same. That's why my NA cam with 9.8mm lift fits straight in with no mods.Ash Kelly Barr wrote:They notch out the material around the retainer to make clearance for the cam lobe.
Toyota motors:
Current - 89 AW11 factory manual SC
Sold - 74 Toyota Crown wagon (MS63), Holden 308, TH400 trans
Current - 89 AW11 factory manual SC
Sold - 74 Toyota Crown wagon (MS63), Holden 308, TH400 trans
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Re: Myeyehurts' MR2 With Quad Throttles
Quick update - the car came back from the workshop and drove well considering it's running a very wonky tune - air/fuel all over the place. This is how it looked when I got it back from the shop;
And with the Valvoles fitted up;
Bought some 323mm Supra twin-turbo rotors and caliper adapters;
The old rotors came off with little fuss and the new ones bolted straight on - using a couple of wheel nuts to hold them on for the photo!
Started stripping out the interior - will get a 6+ point cage built in the next few weeks
The stereo wiring & oil pressure gauge wiring are both birds nests;
And that's where I'm currently at so far. I've got some turbo 2-pot calipers coming up from Te Awamutu, thanks to another MR2OCNZ member 'Ken & Barbie'. Once those arrive I'll do some research into good race pads and fit them all up this weekend with any luck.
Next step is to remove the dash board, get the cage made up & installed, buy a pair of MSNZ/FIA seats (the Mrs is starting to show an interest in 'The Money Pit" now, better put a seat in for her as well!) and harnesses etc, then some custom interior work to get gauges etc in the centre console, then tune the ECU.
And with the Valvoles fitted up;
Bought some 323mm Supra twin-turbo rotors and caliper adapters;
The old rotors came off with little fuss and the new ones bolted straight on - using a couple of wheel nuts to hold them on for the photo!
Started stripping out the interior - will get a 6+ point cage built in the next few weeks
The stereo wiring & oil pressure gauge wiring are both birds nests;
And that's where I'm currently at so far. I've got some turbo 2-pot calipers coming up from Te Awamutu, thanks to another MR2OCNZ member 'Ken & Barbie'. Once those arrive I'll do some research into good race pads and fit them all up this weekend with any luck.
Next step is to remove the dash board, get the cage made up & installed, buy a pair of MSNZ/FIA seats (the Mrs is starting to show an interest in 'The Money Pit" now, better put a seat in for her as well!) and harnesses etc, then some custom interior work to get gauges etc in the centre console, then tune the ECU.
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Re: Myeyehurts' MR2 With Quad Throttles
Nice work. When i see interiors stripped with ease it just makes me jealous
As far as race pads go have you considered EBC reds?
http://www.autoanything.com/brakes/20A50531A1.aspx
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As far as race pads go have you considered EBC reds?
http://www.autoanything.com/brakes/20A50531A1.aspx
One member posted that link and said combined with youshop buying from them was cheaper than anywhere else. Not sure if it still is but I thieved that link and stored it away. I'd recommend getting membership as it helps with research - heaps of stuff has been discussed years ago on here and the forum is a good 1st port of call for looking stuff up.
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Re: Myeyehurts' MR2 With Quad Throttles
Is that why I don't have a search function yet?Swampy wrote:Nice work. When i see interiors stripped with ease it just makes me jealous
As far as race pads go have you considered EBC reds?
http://www.autoanything.com/brakes/20A50531A1.aspx
One member posted that link and said combined with youshop buying from them was cheaper than anywhere else. Not sure if it still is but I thieved that link and stored it away. I'd recommend getting membership as it helps with research - heaps of stuff has been discussed years ago on here and the forum is a good 1st port of call for looking stuff up.