The long road to V6 turbo AW11

Want a thread dedicated to your car?
Got a seriously pimped-out ride? Building an extreme performance MR2? Post here!

Moderator: Moderators

Forum rules
This section of the forum is a great resource if you're looking for ideas, and it's a cool way of obtaining technical information that may otherwise not have been posted. (Members can use the Search functionality at top right of the forum to speed up finding things) Please respect others' contributions and don't diss anyone - keep comments helpful, factual, positive and polite. One thread per vehicle or owner please - don't start lots of threads about just one car. And if you need assistance with your car and want to host a spanner day, please use the appropriate section of the forum: http://mr2.org.nz/phpbb3/viewforum.php?f=35 Thank you.
User avatar
Mr-Paulio
Area Coordinator - MR2OCNZ
Posts: 1284
Joined: Sat Sep 06, 2014 6:48 am
Stomping Ground: Auckland
Prime Mover: AW11
First name: Paul

Re: The long road to V6 turbo AW11

Post by Mr-Paulio »

So I put the AW away for a bit as I was getting sick of it. And I started work on the Rav mud buggy.
Glad I did because I guess I needed time to clear my head. I couldn't figure out why a reasonably new water pump would just stop pumping. And I was dreading the job anyway So I started further investigation. 1st point. 3VZ uses a bypass thermostat. So removing that probably only makes things worse. I tested the old one in boiling water and it seemed fine. But for peace of mind fitted a new one anyway. I also discovered with the cap off water quickly overflows out of the engine. And also the bleed on the top of the radiator has suction when the engine is running. Stop the engine and water pours out.
So, I started to wonder if there was a blockage somewhere? What area could block that easy? And why? The radiator perhaps? So I disconnected the hose from the engine to the radiator....
20200719_122655.jpg
Perhaps it was this?!!
I couldn't have imagined this happening either though to be fair!
This is an inner lining of my radiator hose. The one that blew off. I refitted it in the car in a very awkward and hard to see spot. (Between the alternator and fire wall) Instead of removing the full section. I regret this now!
So it seems the inner lining came loose and blocked the end of the hose joiner!
Now, I probably should have replaced this hose. But its Sunday and I did managed to trim that end down okay. So far so good! No overheating. (Yes that may also bite me in the arse later, watch this space)

But fingers crossed I can go back on to mods now rather than repairs!!! :lol: :lol:
'89 AW11 V6 Turbo (350BHP & 380Ft/lbs!) :twisted:
'86 AW11 20V (Sold) :(
'91 SW20 Turbo "BlackRat" #RatRodStyle (Sold) :(
'91 SW20 Turbo (Sold) :(
South Auckland Area Coordinator

User avatar
ClanFever
Executive Officer - MR2OCNZ
Posts: 2197
Joined: Tue Sep 11, 2012 11:25 pm
Stomping Ground: Wellington
Prime Mover: SW20
First name: Olaf
Contact:

Re: The long road to V6 turbo AW11

Post by ClanFever »

What does the outside of the hose look like? Is there any indication to this happening? The last thing you think of blocking a system is the systems own hosing/piping...
Ex-President & Wellington Area Coordinator & Lower North MR2 Leader
Current: 1992 Toyota MR2 G-Limited with Gen 4 3S-GTE + CT20B (APEXED), 2005 Toyota IST, 2008 Toyota Vanguard - 2GR!
Past: 1990 Toyota MR2 G-Limited, "Semi Parts Car" 1991 Toyota MR2 G-Limited, '91 G-Limited, '89 G-Limited, '91 NZ New MR2, '91 G-Limited, '91 GT (Parts Car), '99 Altezza 3SGE, '98 Altezza 1GFE, '88 Corolla, '96 Curren, '94 Ceres Corolla, '94 Levin, '90 Hiace Super Custom 4x4, '91 Mirage, '93 MX-6 J-Spec, '91 Familia, '91 Galant, '90 Navara, '96 Commodore, '94 Pajero, '89 Lancer, '93 Pajero, '92 Pajero, '89 Mirage, '92 Terrano, '87 Familia, '03 Colt, '91 Pajero, '91 Pajero, '97 Carib, '96 Carina, '02 Turbo Forester

User avatar
Mr-Paulio
Area Coordinator - MR2OCNZ
Posts: 1284
Joined: Sat Sep 06, 2014 6:48 am
Stomping Ground: Auckland
Prime Mover: AW11
First name: Paul

Re: The long road to V6 turbo AW11

Post by Mr-Paulio »

ClanFever wrote:
Mon Jul 20, 2020 1:26 pm
What does the outside of the hose look like? Is there any indication to this happening? The last thing you think of blocking a system is the systems own hosing/piping...
Yeah I know right. I never would have guessed this. Just lucky I decided to blow water through the radiator lines. And glad I didn't start tearing out the water pump!

I planned to go for another test drive today make sure we are all good. But got busy at work and put it off too long. Now its raining!! :cry:
'89 AW11 V6 Turbo (350BHP & 380Ft/lbs!) :twisted:
'86 AW11 20V (Sold) :(
'91 SW20 Turbo "BlackRat" #RatRodStyle (Sold) :(
'91 SW20 Turbo (Sold) :(
South Auckland Area Coordinator

User avatar
mickeyduck
Life Member - MR2OCNZ
Posts: 6144
Joined: Mon Apr 25, 2005 11:30 am
Stomping Ground: Auckland
Prime Mover: More than one MR2
First name: Charlie

Re: The long road to V6 turbo AW11

Post by mickeyduck »

I had a similar thing happen too, many years ago Paul. I've found that if you ease one side of the rubber hose over the steel radiator tube first, so as to ensure the steel tube is inside the rubber hose, then carefully ease the rest of the hose over the tube, this kind of thing doesn't occur. If the hose is too tight to be readily fitted, you can smear the inside of it with a detergent solution to help it slide over the steel tube. Can also help to soak the end of the hose in a cup of boiling water for a minute before applying the detergent. I have an old small flat bladed screwdriver which I filed down until it is all rounded edges and I can insert it to help ease the rubber hose over the steel tubing if necessary.

If instead you try to fit the hose by having it meet the steel tube on all sides at once (entire circumference mating to the steel tube in one go) then you're more likely to catch a bit of the hose's inner and when you push hard to try to get the thing on, you end up doing what's happened here from the looks and peeling the inner of the rubber hose from the rest of itself, so it forms this blockage.

Anyway FWIW that's my experience and my way of avoiding a recurrence. :wink:

Glad it didn't naff your nice new engine mate! :D
#8^) Charlie the certified Westie
Retired - President 2012 - 2018
Retired - Committee Member 2009 - 2018
Retired - Auckland Area Coordinator 2009 - 2018
Retired - Webmaster, Forum Host & Admin 2010 - 2018 - Now it's mknz

Financial Club Member since 2004 and thanks to *84vvt and co-conspirators, Life Member since April 2017 8)
100+ MR2OCNZ runs and counting... When going hard, good rubber's your best protection against unwanted accidents. Buy good tyres!
When you're nearing the end of the drag-strip and you have no 'chute, you may as well keep your foot to the floor... Live life. There ain't no second pass. :twisted:

User avatar
Mr-Paulio
Area Coordinator - MR2OCNZ
Posts: 1284
Joined: Sat Sep 06, 2014 6:48 am
Stomping Ground: Auckland
Prime Mover: AW11
First name: Paul

Re: The long road to V6 turbo AW11

Post by Mr-Paulio »

Thanks Charlie, engines not that new really. Just boosted now. But all good I was watching it close. The real reason this happened was just the awkward place I fitted the join. Right between the engine and fire wall. Super tight. I should have taken the entire hose out and done it out of the car and put it back. The things you learn!

Anyway, all good now. I seem to be retaining all the fluids in the car where they are supposed to be!
'89 AW11 V6 Turbo (350BHP & 380Ft/lbs!) :twisted:
'86 AW11 20V (Sold) :(
'91 SW20 Turbo "BlackRat" #RatRodStyle (Sold) :(
'91 SW20 Turbo (Sold) :(
South Auckland Area Coordinator

User avatar
Mr-Paulio
Area Coordinator - MR2OCNZ
Posts: 1284
Joined: Sat Sep 06, 2014 6:48 am
Stomping Ground: Auckland
Prime Mover: AW11
First name: Paul

Re: The long road to V6 turbo AW11

Post by Mr-Paulio »

So I think I've worked out all the bugs.... (crosses everything while knocking on wood)
And worked through my list of things to do.
Boost control however is a no go. Turns out on gate alone the boost is 16psi. So that is now my low and high boost setting!
Anyone want to buy a near new Mac valve?

Final item I wanted to complete to hide the wiring and crap was a new boot panel.
I used some CAD
20200801_170900.jpg
20200801_170900.jpg (504.38 KiB) Viewed 4305 times
(Cardboard aided design)
20200801_130527.jpg
Left over (real) Bride material from the BlackRat, and dyed it black.
20200801_132700.jpg
20200801_132747.jpg
Beautiful!! 😁
'89 AW11 V6 Turbo (350BHP & 380Ft/lbs!) :twisted:
'86 AW11 20V (Sold) :(
'91 SW20 Turbo "BlackRat" #RatRodStyle (Sold) :(
'91 SW20 Turbo (Sold) :(
South Auckland Area Coordinator

User avatar
Mr-Paulio
Area Coordinator - MR2OCNZ
Posts: 1284
Joined: Sat Sep 06, 2014 6:48 am
Stomping Ground: Auckland
Prime Mover: AW11
First name: Paul

Re: The long road to V6 turbo AW11

Post by Mr-Paulio »

Mr-Paulio wrote:
Wed Jul 08, 2020 7:34 pm
Oh, and when I've got this one all buttoned up.
And sorted the leaks on the SDub as well.

Project number 3, Mud Buggy!! :lol:
20200704_100904.jpg
Not MR2 though, sorry :D
Well no MR2 work, just thrashing. Happy with them both.... for now.
Just been working on project #3.
20200822_134102.jpg
'89 AW11 V6 Turbo (350BHP & 380Ft/lbs!) :twisted:
'86 AW11 20V (Sold) :(
'91 SW20 Turbo "BlackRat" #RatRodStyle (Sold) :(
'91 SW20 Turbo (Sold) :(
South Auckland Area Coordinator

User avatar
ClanFever
Executive Officer - MR2OCNZ
Posts: 2197
Joined: Tue Sep 11, 2012 11:25 pm
Stomping Ground: Wellington
Prime Mover: SW20
First name: Olaf
Contact:

Re: The long road to V6 turbo AW11

Post by ClanFever »

Was that a Rav4?
Ex-President & Wellington Area Coordinator & Lower North MR2 Leader
Current: 1992 Toyota MR2 G-Limited with Gen 4 3S-GTE + CT20B (APEXED), 2005 Toyota IST, 2008 Toyota Vanguard - 2GR!
Past: 1990 Toyota MR2 G-Limited, "Semi Parts Car" 1991 Toyota MR2 G-Limited, '91 G-Limited, '89 G-Limited, '91 NZ New MR2, '91 G-Limited, '91 GT (Parts Car), '99 Altezza 3SGE, '98 Altezza 1GFE, '88 Corolla, '96 Curren, '94 Ceres Corolla, '94 Levin, '90 Hiace Super Custom 4x4, '91 Mirage, '93 MX-6 J-Spec, '91 Familia, '91 Galant, '90 Navara, '96 Commodore, '94 Pajero, '89 Lancer, '93 Pajero, '92 Pajero, '89 Mirage, '92 Terrano, '87 Familia, '03 Colt, '91 Pajero, '91 Pajero, '97 Carib, '96 Carina, '02 Turbo Forester

User avatar
Mr-Paulio
Area Coordinator - MR2OCNZ
Posts: 1284
Joined: Sat Sep 06, 2014 6:48 am
Stomping Ground: Auckland
Prime Mover: AW11
First name: Paul

Re: The long road to V6 turbo AW11

Post by Mr-Paulio »

ClanFever wrote:
Mon Aug 24, 2020 1:11 pm
Was that a Rav4?
Was.... :lol:
'89 AW11 V6 Turbo (350BHP & 380Ft/lbs!) :twisted:
'86 AW11 20V (Sold) :(
'91 SW20 Turbo "BlackRat" #RatRodStyle (Sold) :(
'91 SW20 Turbo (Sold) :(
South Auckland Area Coordinator

User avatar
Mr-Paulio
Area Coordinator - MR2OCNZ
Posts: 1284
Joined: Sat Sep 06, 2014 6:48 am
Stomping Ground: Auckland
Prime Mover: AW11
First name: Paul

Re: The long road to V6 turbo AW11

Post by Mr-Paulio »

Okay I haven't yet moved on from the "Rav?"

... But, I started some future work on the ADub.
The current engine which I turbocharged is completely stock bottom end with near 200,000km's. Low for a Camry engine, but probably limited life when I have over double the power output!! :twisted:
Also I have come into some cash that can bypass the family account and go straight to my MR2 fund! :lol:
So I have started to tear down my spare blocks in preparation for a fresh rebuild spare engine.

In doing so, I started with my old NA +300k's engine that dropped compression in only one cylinder. And I think I know why...
20200826_165548.jpg
So, I have done my research and I have found reasons why this would happen (middle cylinder BTW) But its a bit hard to be 100% sure as the pictures on the Web all look different. Mostly due to the design of the piston. But I am fairly sure I know what's gone on here.
That said I am keen to hear peoples thoughts before I close this file on this. What do you think ?? :D
'89 AW11 V6 Turbo (350BHP & 380Ft/lbs!) :twisted:
'86 AW11 20V (Sold) :(
'91 SW20 Turbo "BlackRat" #RatRodStyle (Sold) :(
'91 SW20 Turbo (Sold) :(
South Auckland Area Coordinator

User avatar
Mr-Paulio
Area Coordinator - MR2OCNZ
Posts: 1284
Joined: Sat Sep 06, 2014 6:48 am
Stomping Ground: Auckland
Prime Mover: AW11
First name: Paul

Re: The long road to V6 turbo AW11

Post by Mr-Paulio »

Its been awhile, but I made another vid of some old footage....



Might start getting back into this, plenty of new stuff to do! :D :D
'89 AW11 V6 Turbo (350BHP & 380Ft/lbs!) :twisted:
'86 AW11 20V (Sold) :(
'91 SW20 Turbo "BlackRat" #RatRodStyle (Sold) :(
'91 SW20 Turbo (Sold) :(
South Auckland Area Coordinator

User avatar
Mr-Paulio
Area Coordinator - MR2OCNZ
Posts: 1284
Joined: Sat Sep 06, 2014 6:48 am
Stomping Ground: Auckland
Prime Mover: AW11
First name: Paul

Re: The long road to V6 turbo AW11

Post by Mr-Paulio »

So where are we at....
Well teething issues plagued me! Everything seemed to leak. So I decided to drop the engine and redo what I could properly and with easier access. As the engine take me sub 2hrs to remove now it wasn't a big deal. But I've pulled it so many times the last few years I'm quite over it. For that reason a job that should have taken 2 days has now taken about 2 months because I was so unmotivated!
Anyway, perhaps that was a good thing. As it gave me time to reseal and allow everything to dry nicely before moving on to the next component. Step, by, slow, step.

Then, in true fashion first start up was fine but the car made some nasty noises on the next start up...
20201020_152911.jpg
20201021_131430.jpg
20201021_133010.jpg
20201021_134801.jpg
All torqued properly. But I guess you remove a bolt enough times and torque it back up enough times it will give up eventually. Luckily I managed to extract the bolt and retime the engine without removing it! Thank God!! :roll:

So the latest is the car is running and doesn't leak a drop of anything! Oil leaks sorted, CV boots sorted.
I even added the bleeder to the ali rad and that seems to have helped with temperature control.
20201104_081835.jpg
Certainly was air bubbles in there. This could be the reason for radiator leaks? Perhaps the steam pressure pushing out. Anyway, that's all sorted now!

I also reinstalled my oil cooler to help reduce temps. Probably required more now with the turbo!
20201014_211533.jpg
I went for a few quick rips and built up to a maiden voyage (its seemed like it was a maiden voyage again!)
45 mins in to my big drive and this happened :shock:
20201101_134627.jpg
Driver side axle popped out. Missing carrier bearing retainer clip! I put it back in on the side of the road but decided not to risk driving it further as I had no idea how much smurf blood had bled.
20201101_165729.jpg
So back to her natural habitat!
20201101_153949.jpg
:lol:
Parts were reasonable from Toyota but 9 weeks away!
Luckily I had a spare bearing, rubber tipped bolt and with help from a facebook page received a new clip in the interim. Thanks guys!
20201106_143419.jpg
All back together and up and running! Again!!

And now I also have a wideband installed and the tacho fixed (not sure if I mentioned before but when I turned the tach output on, on the ECU it would over fuel. So left it off)
All and all I am happy with it right now. And damn I missed driving that weapon!! :twisted:

But of course there are still things to do. My coil pack bracket has come loose due to some stripped threads. Should be sorted easy this weekend. And small exhaust leaks before the turbo. I'm trying to get some MLS gaskets instead of the fibrous ones. And some better HT bolts, should solve that.
20201105_143618.jpg
Any advice where to go and look would be appreciated as I am struggling ATM.

Meanwhile, sick of this car being down and since I am down sizing my fleet (check trade me, SW and AW for sale) I will start another spare engine build on the side. First parts just arrived...
20201105_142353.jpg
I considered some upgrades also. Porting, cams, perhaps a full rebuild. Of course that won't be a quick swap should I need it. As I'll need a retune. So I'll likely just get another junk yard 3VZ and leave the bottom end alone and the heads stock. As per before. I've seen these engines handle 500hp so shouldn't be an issue anyway.

More to come as it comes :D
'89 AW11 V6 Turbo (350BHP & 380Ft/lbs!) :twisted:
'86 AW11 20V (Sold) :(
'91 SW20 Turbo "BlackRat" #RatRodStyle (Sold) :(
'91 SW20 Turbo (Sold) :(
South Auckland Area Coordinator

User avatar
Mr-Paulio
Area Coordinator - MR2OCNZ
Posts: 1284
Joined: Sat Sep 06, 2014 6:48 am
Stomping Ground: Auckland
Prime Mover: AW11
First name: Paul

Re: The long road to V6 turbo AW11

Post by Mr-Paulio »

More new spare parts today! :D
20201107_125855.jpg
'89 AW11 V6 Turbo (350BHP & 380Ft/lbs!) :twisted:
'86 AW11 20V (Sold) :(
'91 SW20 Turbo "BlackRat" #RatRodStyle (Sold) :(
'91 SW20 Turbo (Sold) :(
South Auckland Area Coordinator

User avatar
Mr-Paulio
Area Coordinator - MR2OCNZ
Posts: 1284
Joined: Sat Sep 06, 2014 6:48 am
Stomping Ground: Auckland
Prime Mover: AW11
First name: Paul

Re: The long road to V6 turbo AW11

Post by Mr-Paulio »

So,
I got some new copper exhaust gaskets made up.
20201112_121401.jpg
These should cut the mustard I expect.
Best part is they were pretty cheap really I thought. $10 each!
I kind of regret not getting more made actually!
But if they work out well I'll be going back to get a few spares.
http://www.gasketspecialtiesltd.co.nz
20201112_121551.jpg
'89 AW11 V6 Turbo (350BHP & 380Ft/lbs!) :twisted:
'86 AW11 20V (Sold) :(
'91 SW20 Turbo "BlackRat" #RatRodStyle (Sold) :(
'91 SW20 Turbo (Sold) :(
South Auckland Area Coordinator

User avatar
GDII
Forum Moderator - MR2OCNZ
Posts: 5739
Joined: Sun Jul 10, 2011 5:13 pm
Stomping Ground: Wellington
Prime Mover: SW20
First name: Phill

Re: The long road to V6 turbo AW11

Post by GDII »

That's pretty cool! Do you really need spares if they work? Those other gaskets aren't really that good. Never use them on a downpipe our you will just blow them apart right away.
1990 SW20 MR2 G-Limited (GEN4 3SGTE Installed)
2000 AE111R Corolla Wagon NZ New Daily
1996 AE101R Corolla Sprint NZ New Selling Soon
1990 EP81 Starlet XL (Sold)
1990 EE90 Corolla XL (Sold)
Instagram https://www.instagram.com/sw20glimited/

Post Reply