Malcolm's 3SGTE AW11

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Re: Malcolm's 3SGTE AW11

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flying_wedge wrote:Looking good Malcolm - good progress!
Sweet workshop space you have as well, and access to a hoist!

What glue did you use to stick those brackets to the lip? That seems the perfect solution and I have been wondering how to make this work for the lip to sit tighter to the body.
Yeah I'm pretty spoilt with the space and tools we've got at work, recently got a sheetmetal bender/roller/shear which I can see being useful in the future. Biggest problem is usually the race between my workmates to get on the hoist in the evenings/weekends!

The glue is Plexus MA300, it's a really freaking strong 2 part adhesive, about $50 for a tube from Nuplex. You kinda need the proper double-plunger dispensing gun to use it, although you can improvise other methods to dispense the two parts in equal quantities

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Re: Malcolm's 3SGTE AW11

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Hey mate great progress! I'm currently doing the same and had the same amount of leaves collected in mine haha
Good idea with the aero tech lip, might haft to hit you up when I get mine
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Re: Malcolm's 3SGTE AW11

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Sweet, I'm overdue for a supply run to Nuplex so will pick some up next time I go. I take it that the dispensing gun doesn't come with it like with the ados 2 part adhesives. I'm sure I will figure something out :wink:

Thinking my AW will probably more or less (for now!!) be complete by Chrismas too.

Have you thought about extending the centre piece of the Aerotech lip back to the radiator support tray, and even the underside of it back to the radiator support or even bottom of the frunk to help with directing airflow? On the underside would help create a similar effect as an air splitter, and with your radiator and venting mods you could completely block off the airflow under the radiator so it all goes out over the bonnet

Think I will look into this one very soon, to make pretty much any airflow into the front cavity to go through the radiator at least.

Be keen on some Erebuni style end caps for the rear instead of the factory mud flaps? Thinking of making a mold to pop out a few pieces once I complete a suitable plug
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Re: Malcolm's 3SGTE AW11

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flying_wedge wrote:Have you thought about extending the centre piece of the Aerotech lip back to the radiator support tray, and even the underside of it back to the radiator support or even bottom of the frunk to help with directing airflow? On the underside would help create a similar effect as an air splitter, and with your radiator and venting mods you could completely block off the airflow under the radiator so it all goes out over the bonnet
Yep I had been looking at doing exactly that. There's no radiator support panel so it will just be a 3-sided duct from the opening in the front bumper to the first radiator. One thing I need to be careful of is that if I force too much air through the radiators it could cause a high pressure zone to build up in front of them which would generate some front end lift - if this is a problem I would just add some louvres to the duct.

Be keen on some Erebuni style end caps for the rear instead of the factory mud flaps? Thinking of making a mold to pop out a few pieces once I complete a suitable plug
I would be actually, I bought some second hand sideskirts a while ago to look at modifying them to make end caps but decided they weren't even remotely the right shape

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Re: Malcolm's 3SGTE AW11

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Had a productive day today. Pressure tested the cooling system and found the source of slow coolant loss: couple of loose hoseclamps. I also made some new mounts for the overflow bottle using vibration isolators as I'm a little concerned about the aluminium fatiguing.

Also made more progress with the painting. I've been repairing some cracks in the side skirts as well as finishing off the bonnet and engine lid. I've got quite a few parts primed and ready for sanding then top coat... Exciting! Might even finish painting it this year!ImageImageImage

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Re: Malcolm's 3SGTE AW11

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It's going to be real nice to see this wee beastie back on its feet Malcolm. Should be mint when it's done. 8)

I'll be interested to see what you come up with for the speedo too.
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Re: Malcolm's 3SGTE AW11

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Finished off the strut brace tonight :)
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Close up of the overflow bottle mounting
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Some point soon I need to take a trip to the powder coater and anodiser to get some bits tidied up
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Re: Malcolm's 3SGTE AW11

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Loving the dub, Malcolm!

Can't wait to see this thing in person one day. Oh and thanks again for the door handle :lol:

Which colour are you going for for the paintjob?

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I haven't quite decided on the colour yet... I have a fair idea but for now it's secret :)

I haven't done much more on the painting recently, but I have dropped the strut brace off for powder coating and the intake and overflow bottle for anodising. I've also turned my attention back to the speedo.

Despite the many hours of work I put in to the stepper motor drive for the speedo, it has just never been reliable. The reality is that the speeds I am asking the stepper to do are quite difficult for it, and the precision required in the alignment of the stepper shaft and the speedo input is too high for the mounting and drive methods I had used. Instead I've been looking to replace the mechanical speedo with an electronically driven one (like the late model SW20s).

First thing I needed to do was to find an electronic speedo that would fit with the least amount of modification possible. After about 3 hours at pick-a-part, dismantling speedos in at least 10 cars (if anyone goes to Avondale PAP and sees lots of dismantled instrument clusters floating around, you'll know why :lol: ), I had learned a lot about the variants of speedos that are common in Japanese cars and had found one which had the best combination of size, needle sweep degrees per km, odometer and trip meter positions and size, and trip meter reset lever location. It was surprising how many units seemed ideal but had one fundamental problem which meant they would either be very difficult to fit into the AW11 instrument cluster housing, or would not read the correct speed when behind the AW11 speedo faceplate (I can change this by altering the signal going in, but then the odometer won't be accurate).

So in the end it was a Mazda Lantis that was nearest to ideal. Here are the units side by side
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And here's the faceplate of the Mazda one laid on top of the AW11 one. The difference in windows for the odometer and trip meter is the main problem here
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These are known as light pipes - the ends sit at the light source (the small bulbs in the back of the cluster) and light is internally reflected through it, emanating at the edges. These create the light that surrounds the odometer, trip meter and needle. The larger one is from the Mazda, I have trimmed it as well as heating it up and bending one corner to make it fit - unfortunately this bend created a lot of bubbles in the plastic which I suspect will reduce the effectiveness...we'll see
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This shows (poorly) the modifications made inside the housing to fit the Mazda speedo. It's not obvious but I've used a die grinder to cut away all the reinforcing ribs that sit under the speedo, and I have also drilled some holes for where pins on the back of the Mazda speed sit deeper than the available depth - plus 3 holes which are dual purpose mounting and electrical feeds to the speedo
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This shows how tightly the Mazda speedo fits. It really couldn't be bigger in any dimension and still fit without needing much more significant chopping
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And here it is from the back. As you can see I was a bit of a muppet and managed to drill through the copper tracks on the cluster circuit once when I thought I was going to miss it, and also slipped and cut some with a knife as I was shaping the plastic! Repairable, but a pain. I did quite intentionally drill through the pad just above the letters "R.S.". As it turns out, this is usually the speed signal OUTPUT from the speedo to the ECU, but it aligns perfectly with the signal bolt hole for speed INPUT into the Mazda speedo, so I can feed a speed signal into the speed signal wire running to the ECU and it will also come to the dash and drive the speedo :)
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The final stumbling block - the trip meter reset lever sat about 5mm lower and further to the right than the hole in the AW11 faceplate - so I cut the end of it off, fortunately part of it still runs directly below the hole so I should just be able to glue a rod on here and be done with it :)
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After spending an hour or so carefully trimming the windows for the odo and trip meter with a hot knife, here's how it's looking
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Aside from tidying a few bits up, sticking on the odo reset lever and finding some suitable screws to hold the unit in, all that remains is the electronic side of things. I plan to continue using the Arduino and the speed sensor I had already installed, and have had the Arduino happily running the speedo on the bench so it should only be an hour's work or so to modify the software to do what I want it to.

Going through this process has uncovered some interesting possibilities if I can find an affordable way to make replacement gauge faces. I think I will follow that up later once this is finished and working

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Re: Malcolm's 3SGTE AW11

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Good work bro!
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Bit overdue for an update here...

The speedo is in and working well. Surprisingly the lighting is quite even despite the modifications I made to the light pipes. I still need to put a needle stop at zero, and there's something funny with the code that is only allowing it to move in steps of about 5kmh. It is otherwise nice and accurate according to GPS.

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Updated engine bay shot with a few more bits coated
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I spent most of the weekend doing more paint prep and actually did some top coating finally!
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Folding mirrors, surprisingly annoying to paint! Image

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Quick update on the painting, less words, more pics

Slow process of stripping parts off
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Found a patch of rust inside the passenger door jamb - pretty minor but the worst bit I've found
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This second hand guard I picked up has been poorly repainted at some stage.
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5 minutes of blowing it with an air gun later...
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Door prep
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Time to do something about this...
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As it sits tonight, hopefully this weekend nearly all the priming will be done!
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Lots of primed parts, ready for sanding
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Re: Malcolm's 3SGTE AW11

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You've always had an eye for details and i'm really looking forward to the finished product! Nice one
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Re: Malcolm's 3SGTE AW11

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Seconded that ^

Did you talk to cert guy about cutting the back Malcolm?

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Re: Malcolm's 3SGTE AW11

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It's not a structural piece so I think that's fine.
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