AKL run to the AGM Sat 24 March 2018
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- mickeyduck
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AKL run to the AGM Sat 24 March 2018
Right then. My final act as Auckland Area Coordinator will be to invite any Auckland club members to join us for the cruise to the AGM at Te Kuiti.
If that's a bit much of a hike for you, feel free to tag along until we get to the bottom of SH22 near Raglan, then turn around and go home (or turn right and have brunch in Raglan).
If you're in the Waikato, feel free to meet us some place on the way down.
The AGM starts at 4pm in Te Kuiti but we need to be there a while before that to set up. It's estimated to be about 2 1/2 hours drive to get where we're going via the main highways but I'm going to allow at least an hour more than that as we'll be taking twisty fun back roads and as these cars aren't entirely new any more, who knows what may happen? So I'm planning to leave the BP on SH1 at Drury early enough to make Te Kuiti by about 2pm. That also gives us at least an hour extra in case something goes awry.
Meet at BP on SH1 Drury at 10am Saturday 24th March, leaving by 10:30am.
Be sure to fill your gas tank!
We will take SH22 from Pukekohe down to the intersection with SH23 near Raglan. This stretch is epic in its own right.
We'll pause to ensure we're all together, then turn left onto SH23, then right into Ferguson Rd.
Right into Te Pahu Rd (Mooloolanders this might be a good place to meet us).
Right onto SH39 (caution - wait for a decent gap in the traffic and watch out for things coming around the sweeper from your left).
We will pause at the side of the road as soon as it's safe to pull over, to ensure everyone is together again so don't rush that turn. Safety first!
We'll cruise down SH39 to Otorohanga where we turn right onto SH 3.
Again, we will pause to ensure we're all together after that turn.
Then we just cruise south until we get to Te Kuiti.
We can fill up at the BP in Te Kuiti before we leave town and hit the Panorama Motel just south of town.
That way we'll be gassed up and ready to go for the run around the Waitomo-O on Sunday morning.
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1qXnsS ... sp=sharing
Sunday morning we do the Waitomo-O and stop for lunch in Kawhia. Fish n chips on the wharf most likely.
I'd love to take a quick look at Te Waitere, and possibly Aotea too if there's time.
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1D30F1 ... sp=sharing
After the run on Sunday we head back up SH39 until we turn left onto Horotiu Rd and dd up to the BP at Ngaruawahia.
After gassing up we head north but turn right at the Taupiri roundabout, and onto Orini Rd.
We turn left onto Rutherford Rd and head home via the immensely enjoyable Lake Waikare Rd, right into Waerenga Rd, left into Falls Rd, left into Kopuku Rd, left onto SH2, exit at the golf club and go through the little tunnel (vroom vroom!)
Right into Lyons Rd, left into Paparimu Rd, find yourself on Hunua Rd. Then right into Dominion Rd, left into Papakura-Clevedon Rd, Right into Cosgrave Rd.
This becomes Mill Rd and you follow your nose to the SH1 and SH20 interchange at Redoubt Rd, Manukau. I'll hit SH20 to head west.
BTW this little detour not only adds a bit of fun driving, it also avoids the inevitable Sunday afternoon SH1 traffic jam between Drury and Takanini / Manurewa / Manukau.
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1yV-JB ... sp=sharing
That last bit - I usually take White Rd, Sky High Rd, Monument Rd to Clevedon then West Rd etc to get to Redoubt, but there's some reall horrible gravel road works at the mo, best avoided. Hence I'll just give those (AWesome) little back roads a miss this time.
Believe me if you tag along, you'll need one hell of a power nap when you get home! More twisties than you can shake a stick at.
Who's in then? Even if it's just for the first stint down SH22...
I'm doing the lot and I can't wait! It's going to be one AWesome weekend behind the wheel of an MR2.
If that's a bit much of a hike for you, feel free to tag along until we get to the bottom of SH22 near Raglan, then turn around and go home (or turn right and have brunch in Raglan).
If you're in the Waikato, feel free to meet us some place on the way down.
The AGM starts at 4pm in Te Kuiti but we need to be there a while before that to set up. It's estimated to be about 2 1/2 hours drive to get where we're going via the main highways but I'm going to allow at least an hour more than that as we'll be taking twisty fun back roads and as these cars aren't entirely new any more, who knows what may happen? So I'm planning to leave the BP on SH1 at Drury early enough to make Te Kuiti by about 2pm. That also gives us at least an hour extra in case something goes awry.
Meet at BP on SH1 Drury at 10am Saturday 24th March, leaving by 10:30am.
Be sure to fill your gas tank!
We will take SH22 from Pukekohe down to the intersection with SH23 near Raglan. This stretch is epic in its own right.
We'll pause to ensure we're all together, then turn left onto SH23, then right into Ferguson Rd.
Right into Te Pahu Rd (Mooloolanders this might be a good place to meet us).
Right onto SH39 (caution - wait for a decent gap in the traffic and watch out for things coming around the sweeper from your left).
We will pause at the side of the road as soon as it's safe to pull over, to ensure everyone is together again so don't rush that turn. Safety first!
We'll cruise down SH39 to Otorohanga where we turn right onto SH 3.
Again, we will pause to ensure we're all together after that turn.
Then we just cruise south until we get to Te Kuiti.
We can fill up at the BP in Te Kuiti before we leave town and hit the Panorama Motel just south of town.
That way we'll be gassed up and ready to go for the run around the Waitomo-O on Sunday morning.
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1qXnsS ... sp=sharing
Sunday morning we do the Waitomo-O and stop for lunch in Kawhia. Fish n chips on the wharf most likely.
I'd love to take a quick look at Te Waitere, and possibly Aotea too if there's time.
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1D30F1 ... sp=sharing
After the run on Sunday we head back up SH39 until we turn left onto Horotiu Rd and dd up to the BP at Ngaruawahia.
After gassing up we head north but turn right at the Taupiri roundabout, and onto Orini Rd.
We turn left onto Rutherford Rd and head home via the immensely enjoyable Lake Waikare Rd, right into Waerenga Rd, left into Falls Rd, left into Kopuku Rd, left onto SH2, exit at the golf club and go through the little tunnel (vroom vroom!)
Right into Lyons Rd, left into Paparimu Rd, find yourself on Hunua Rd. Then right into Dominion Rd, left into Papakura-Clevedon Rd, Right into Cosgrave Rd.
This becomes Mill Rd and you follow your nose to the SH1 and SH20 interchange at Redoubt Rd, Manukau. I'll hit SH20 to head west.
BTW this little detour not only adds a bit of fun driving, it also avoids the inevitable Sunday afternoon SH1 traffic jam between Drury and Takanini / Manurewa / Manukau.
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1yV-JB ... sp=sharing
That last bit - I usually take White Rd, Sky High Rd, Monument Rd to Clevedon then West Rd etc to get to Redoubt, but there's some reall horrible gravel road works at the mo, best avoided. Hence I'll just give those (AWesome) little back roads a miss this time.
Believe me if you tag along, you'll need one hell of a power nap when you get home! More twisties than you can shake a stick at.
Who's in then? Even if it's just for the first stint down SH22...
I'm doing the lot and I can't wait! It's going to be one AWesome weekend behind the wheel of an MR2.
#8^) Charlie the certified Westie
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100+ MR2OCNZ runs and counting... When going hard, good rubber's your best protection against unwanted accidents. Buy good tyres!
When you're nearing the end of the drag-strip and you have no 'chute, you may as well keep your foot to the floor... Live life. There ain't no second pass.
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Retired - Committee Member 2009 - 2018
Retired - Auckland Area Coordinator 2009 - 2018
Retired - Webmaster, Forum Host & Admin 2010 - 2018 - Now it's mknz
Financial Club Member since 2004 and thanks to *84vvt and co-conspirators, Life Member since April 2017
100+ MR2OCNZ runs and counting... When going hard, good rubber's your best protection against unwanted accidents. Buy good tyres!
When you're nearing the end of the drag-strip and you have no 'chute, you may as well keep your foot to the floor... Live life. There ain't no second pass.
- psyguy
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Re: AKL run to the AGM Sat 24 March 2018
I can't believe it I'm going to have to miss this one
But at least the reason is a decent one, I'm away on holidays
But at least the reason is a decent one, I'm away on holidays
- mickeyduck
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Re: AKL run to the AGM Sat 24 March 2018
I'm away on holiday too Ivor. On this run!psyguy wrote:I can't believe it I'm going to have to miss this one
But at least the reason is a decent one, I'm away on holidays
Have a good one mate!
#8^) Charlie the certified Westie
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Financial Club Member since 2004 and thanks to *84vvt and co-conspirators, Life Member since April 2017
100+ MR2OCNZ runs and counting... When going hard, good rubber's your best protection against unwanted accidents. Buy good tyres!
When you're nearing the end of the drag-strip and you have no 'chute, you may as well keep your foot to the floor... Live life. There ain't no second pass.
Retired - President 2012 - 2018
Retired - Committee Member 2009 - 2018
Retired - Auckland Area Coordinator 2009 - 2018
Retired - Webmaster, Forum Host & Admin 2010 - 2018 - Now it's mknz
Financial Club Member since 2004 and thanks to *84vvt and co-conspirators, Life Member since April 2017
100+ MR2OCNZ runs and counting... When going hard, good rubber's your best protection against unwanted accidents. Buy good tyres!
When you're nearing the end of the drag-strip and you have no 'chute, you may as well keep your foot to the floor... Live life. There ain't no second pass.
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Re: AKL run to the AGM Sat 24 March 2018
I will try to be there! if i do it will be my first run with my first MR2
1992 MR2 GT Turbo Complete with Traction control!
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1997 N/A Honda Civic EK3
Follow me on Instagram https://www.instagram.com/jabeo_waho/
Im still learning a lot about cars so bear with me!
- mickeyduck
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Re: AKL run to the AGM Sat 24 March 2018
Flick a PM to CJ (Waikato AC and a good mate) and hook up with him...Jabeo wrote:I will try to be there! if i do it will be my first run with my first MR2
#8^) Charlie the certified Westie
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Financial Club Member since 2004 and thanks to *84vvt and co-conspirators, Life Member since April 2017
100+ MR2OCNZ runs and counting... When going hard, good rubber's your best protection against unwanted accidents. Buy good tyres!
When you're nearing the end of the drag-strip and you have no 'chute, you may as well keep your foot to the floor... Live life. There ain't no second pass.
Retired - President 2012 - 2018
Retired - Committee Member 2009 - 2018
Retired - Auckland Area Coordinator 2009 - 2018
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Financial Club Member since 2004 and thanks to *84vvt and co-conspirators, Life Member since April 2017
100+ MR2OCNZ runs and counting... When going hard, good rubber's your best protection against unwanted accidents. Buy good tyres!
When you're nearing the end of the drag-strip and you have no 'chute, you may as well keep your foot to the floor... Live life. There ain't no second pass.
- nightz
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Re: AKL run to the AGM Sat 24 March 2018
Planning on driving up from Wellington to go on the last Charlie lead run.
- mickeyduck
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Re: AKL run to the AGM Sat 24 March 2018
SWeet. Where are you planning on meeting us Ken? Te Kuiti on the Saturday arvo?nightz wrote:Planning on driving up from Wellington to go on the last Charlie lead run.
#8^) Charlie the certified Westie
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100+ MR2OCNZ runs and counting... When going hard, good rubber's your best protection against unwanted accidents. Buy good tyres!
When you're nearing the end of the drag-strip and you have no 'chute, you may as well keep your foot to the floor... Live life. There ain't no second pass.
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100+ MR2OCNZ runs and counting... When going hard, good rubber's your best protection against unwanted accidents. Buy good tyres!
When you're nearing the end of the drag-strip and you have no 'chute, you may as well keep your foot to the floor... Live life. There ain't no second pass.
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Re: AKL run to the AGM Sat 24 March 2018
BP on SH1 Dury, Sat morning for the drive down.
- mickeyduck
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Re: AKL run to the AGM Sat 24 March 2018
Woah! Nice! I'll look forward to seeing you there Ken. Have a safe and enjoyable trip up (and back!)
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100+ MR2OCNZ runs and counting... When going hard, good rubber's your best protection against unwanted accidents. Buy good tyres!
When you're nearing the end of the drag-strip and you have no 'chute, you may as well keep your foot to the floor... Live life. There ain't no second pass.
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100+ MR2OCNZ runs and counting... When going hard, good rubber's your best protection against unwanted accidents. Buy good tyres!
When you're nearing the end of the drag-strip and you have no 'chute, you may as well keep your foot to the floor... Live life. There ain't no second pass.
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Re: AKL run to the AGM Sat 24 March 2018
Oil changes done. Coolant happy. Wheel alignments done. Plenty of tread and good grippy rubber. Tyre pressures good. Brakes good. Wiper blades good. Just got to write a few more AGM docs and pack a few things... Very much hoping the weather behaves, but I'm sooooooo looking forward to this run whatever it does.
Happy face! (actually it's our cheese grater).
Happy face! (actually it's our cheese grater).
#8^) Charlie the certified Westie
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When you're nearing the end of the drag-strip and you have no 'chute, you may as well keep your foot to the floor... Live life. There ain't no second pass.
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Re: AKL run to the AGM Sat 24 March 2018
I'll be meeting you all at Ferguson Road, Whatawhata. With the Balloons on this weekend, im gonna take the kids to that first thing before heading out.mickeyduck wrote:Flick a PM to CJ (Waikato AC and a good mate) and hook up with him...Jabeo wrote:I will try to be there! if i do it will be my first run with my first MR2
- mickeyduck
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Re: AKL run to the AGM Sat 24 March 2018
Nice. It'll be good to see you CJ. Get a few pics of the balloons for us too eh? SWeet.CJ wrote:I'll be meeting you all at Ferguson Road, Whatawhata. With the Balloons on this weekend, im gonna take the kids to that first thing before heading out.
#8^) Charlie the certified Westie
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100+ MR2OCNZ runs and counting... When going hard, good rubber's your best protection against unwanted accidents. Buy good tyres!
When you're nearing the end of the drag-strip and you have no 'chute, you may as well keep your foot to the floor... Live life. There ain't no second pass.
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100+ MR2OCNZ runs and counting... When going hard, good rubber's your best protection against unwanted accidents. Buy good tyres!
When you're nearing the end of the drag-strip and you have no 'chute, you may as well keep your foot to the floor... Live life. There ain't no second pass.
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Re: AKL run to the AGM Sat 24 March 2018
I won't be able to come either, sorry other Mike. I have far too much uni work to do because the lecturer kept changing their mind about what they want for an assignment.
- mickeyduck
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Re: AKL run to the AGM Sat 24 March 2018
That sucks Michael.
Mind you, I'm half expecting my T-top to become a bit of a mobile spa pool on the weekend...
Mind you, I'm half expecting my T-top to become a bit of a mobile spa pool on the weekend...
#8^) Charlie the certified Westie
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Retired - Auckland Area Coordinator 2009 - 2018
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100+ MR2OCNZ runs and counting... When going hard, good rubber's your best protection against unwanted accidents. Buy good tyres!
When you're nearing the end of the drag-strip and you have no 'chute, you may as well keep your foot to the floor... Live life. There ain't no second pass.
Retired - President 2012 - 2018
Retired - Committee Member 2009 - 2018
Retired - Auckland Area Coordinator 2009 - 2018
Retired - Webmaster, Forum Host & Admin 2010 - 2018 - Now it's mknz
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100+ MR2OCNZ runs and counting... When going hard, good rubber's your best protection against unwanted accidents. Buy good tyres!
When you're nearing the end of the drag-strip and you have no 'chute, you may as well keep your foot to the floor... Live life. There ain't no second pass.
- mickeyduck
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Re: AKL run to the AGM Sat 24 March 2018
Hey CJ, meet us at the Backyard Bar and Eatery in Whatawhata. More comfy and will give us all a chance for a pit-stop and a nibble.CJ wrote:I'll be meeting you all at Ferguson Road, Whatawhata.
#8^) Charlie the certified Westie
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Retired - Auckland Area Coordinator 2009 - 2018
Retired - Webmaster, Forum Host & Admin 2010 - 2018 - Now it's mknz
Financial Club Member since 2004 and thanks to *84vvt and co-conspirators, Life Member since April 2017
100+ MR2OCNZ runs and counting... When going hard, good rubber's your best protection against unwanted accidents. Buy good tyres!
When you're nearing the end of the drag-strip and you have no 'chute, you may as well keep your foot to the floor... Live life. There ain't no second pass.
Retired - President 2012 - 2018
Retired - Committee Member 2009 - 2018
Retired - Auckland Area Coordinator 2009 - 2018
Retired - Webmaster, Forum Host & Admin 2010 - 2018 - Now it's mknz
Financial Club Member since 2004 and thanks to *84vvt and co-conspirators, Life Member since April 2017
100+ MR2OCNZ runs and counting... When going hard, good rubber's your best protection against unwanted accidents. Buy good tyres!
When you're nearing the end of the drag-strip and you have no 'chute, you may as well keep your foot to the floor... Live life. There ain't no second pass.